I wanted this disc for quite sometime but never could find it and gave up for awhile. I finally got lucky and picked two up towards the end of my first year playing 1 in x-line and another is ESP the first half a dozen times I threw this disc I about gave up on it and threw it to the side. This thing would flip over no matter how much hyzer I tried to put on it and end up left out of bounds or in some thick rough. I legit hated this disc. But as I got my form figured out and built up some confidence I picked this one back up and tried again with a lot more pleasing results. It's not my go to for distance or touch shots but it's a useful disc to have in the bag. I mainly use it as a control driver that I need to finish to the right.  Overall this is a good disc as long as you have the right form. This is an excellent beginner disc and I think if I would have found this disc sooner it would have more of a place in my bag. I love using this as a field work disc and something to help check on my form and work on improving the finer points of my game. I would definitely recommend this disc for anyone to pick up and at least give it a try. My wife absolutely loves it and has claimed my x-line so it has a place for some people. Give it a shot and see for yourself!