I have the z swirl plastic Punisher and its just what i was looking for, less stable and more comfortable in hand than the force (i don't have large hands). it also is more stable than your typical Zeus, even if just somewhat. comfortable forehand and backhand and fights wind well. fights out of a big anhyzer better than the Zeus and can take more torque flat and not get off line. i think this is a better disc for medium power arms to reach for before the force.

This disc can be pretty easily described as a "beat in" Force as it has the same flight numbers 12/5/0/3 but a lesser stability rating than a Force at 1.7 compared to the Forces' 2.0. This is my go to distance driver when im looking to get max distance with a predictable flight both backhand and forehand.

The two things I'd like to point out though are the both the turn (0) and fade (3) because I don't feel they are correctly indicated by the flight numbers. The turn when thrown flat with the correct amount of power is definitely more of a (-1) as this discs got a good amount of glide. The fade is definitely a 3 but its not a dumpy 3 if that makes sense. When compared to the crashing you'll get from other discs like the Force or a Destroyer this is more of a pushing fade and will get you extra distance nearing the end of its flight as opposed to diving into the ground as your disc runs out of speed.

Im Neutral on who this disc would be good for because I've had one in my bag since I was a beginner and it had a place then and now that I've improved it has become my main driver and I bag 4 them. So there is definitely a use for it at every level. Question is, what are you using it for?

With that being said this disc is absolutely amazing and I feel like it is extremely overlooked. Rim feels great, nice flat top allows you to get a good grip, flight predictability is there and allows you to throw a range of shots consistently. I just can't say enough good things about this disc. Go get yourself one, bag it, you won't regret it!

This disc is not as overstable is it states. A good 13 speed driver for slow arms

Had this thing in Big Z plastic and it was pretty beefy, not massively overstable but good enough. Felt to in between force and machete for me. Comfortable in hand though.