One of the only true 5 star discs I've ever thrown. I own 3 and I'm so sad that they're OOP. I just bought a fresh one last month and got two aces with it back to back rounds. All hail the anvil!

The VIP will skip a little more but you can get more distance if your arm speed is there. A faster slightly more stable Harp with an awesome feel for my hand.

The BT Soft Matty O run will sit as opposed to the other plastics that will skip (and will have some unpredictable ground play).

Awesome disc. Like it a little more than a DD slammer or Latitude Anchor. 

Extremely underrated disc! Hands down my favorite disc in my bag and use it for most everything < 250 ft both forehand and backhand. It is an easy mid to flick consistently as it has a low profile and rim that feels like a fairway driver. Like most Trilogy discs it is a slightly less stable than the flight numbers.

Wish Westside would make it in more plastics.l...love to get a one in tournament and base plastic.

Great disc. Very very overstable, will fight out of any and all anhyzer lines you throw it on. Amazing for flex shots. It will skip a fair bit. The glide is very accurate, this disc really doesnt want to stay in the air, and to get some distance out fo it, it has to be thrown with a fair amount of power. I use it for mostly for sidearm approach shots, where i either have to get around a steep corner and then skip in, or for flex lines.

Feels amazing in the hand, has a great depth so it fits really well in the hand for sidearms. One my all time favorite discs. 

This disc was a huge surprise for me. Quite possibly the best approach disc in Westside's lineup. I have a VIP and a BT Hybrid anvil. VIP has slight dome while the Hybrid is board flat. I would use VIP for more headwind drives while the hybrid is absolutely perfect for approaches. Personally, I like the hybrid best. Numbers  are true to form. I think the Anvil may be the most slept on Zone-like as well as Trilogy disc. If you can find one I can't recommend it enough.

Great utility disc! I really like the rim and vip plastic feel. I use this as an approach when I need a strong reliable overstable disc. It's also great to recover from throws into wooded areas.

I got this disc in the VIP plastic (169g) when I just started playing disc golf. I play a lot of wooded courses and needed a utility disc for getting out of nasty places. Even at that weight, I find that the Anvil is great for getting out of obstructed woods shots--going around, through, under, over, whatever. It's been my Houdini disc, helping me escape my botched drives and approaches that ended up in the sticks, with hyzers, anhyzers, forehand rollers, etc.

It's also a good disc to explore how to throw something very overstable and seeing what kinds of things that allows a beginning player to do. After having it in my bag for most of a year, I've discovered that it's a lot more versatile than I gave it credit for, and I'm learning to use it for nice little S-line shots. 

I like it a lot and I think others might like it as well.

If you are a forehand dominant player with a solid anhyzer in your arsenal, this disc will flex around any obstacle in your path. Although, it does tend to flex with less authority and glide a bit more once it's been beaten in a bit. This is also very reliable for soft flex approach shots, backhand or forehand, it will deliver. Westside's VIP plastic is my plastic of choice. Feels great in the grip. 

My absolute favorite disc I've ever thrown in my 1.5 years of playing disc golf.

(disclaimer: I have never really tried any other extremely overstable mids but I don't see the need at all)

I've heard that some molds have been a little domey but mine is flat.  

It has has a solid grip and very clean release (for me of course)

This thing is definitely a meat hook but as everyone else is saying, still workable and not as overstable as some other midranges on the market.  If i really pump some power into it I can get it to go straight for a decent bit on a flat release.

For a midrange, this thing skips and skips.  It doesn't have as consistent of a skip as a driver though so I usually like to do high angled hyzer to approach, or utilize the skip when the terrain really allows for it. 

I only use 3 discs for flex lines and this is the only midrange for that slot- again very consistent for me. 

This is a great overstable midrange! It's not as overstable as a Justice but is still very reliable and somewhat workable. It feels really good for both backhand and forehand with a very slight dome.

My VIP Anvil is my most reliable overstable midrange disc. When thrown on most conceivable angles, the anvil will almost always fade out. I use it for short upshots around obstacles, and for forehand throws up to about 200-250 ft. Cant recommend this disc enough, especially to forehand throwers. 

Got a used anvil on a trade. Originally wasn't too sure but now it's probably the most used mid in my bag. Feels good and fades consistently whether forehand or backhand. 

The anvil is one of those super consistent overstable mids that people who enjoy throwing harps or zone type discs enjoy throwing. It is gonna go a little bit further than a zone or a harp but will have that super consistent overstable finish and it will fight any headwind thrown at it. The speed is a little faster in my opinion than a 4 its closer to a 5 for me because the zone is not getting as far as my anvil with more glide than my anvil. I really enjoy the feel on the anvil in my hands and I love that I can trust this thing to fade out pretty quick. I can throw it flat and it will slowly start to fade out of my hand. If I throw it on a anhyzer it will fight out pretty quick and fade out getting some extra distance. If you love throwing harps or zones for approach shots but want a bit more distance with the same flight, pick yourself up an anvil. You will not be disappointed with the overstability of this disc and the consistency it will bring.

So as a preface, I don't power grip most putters and mids because the rim depth makes it awkward. Sometimes, you might want to power grip a mid that's very overstable that will not go too far when fully thrown. This is that disc. It's a shallower rimed more overstable zone type disc that begs to be power gripped and ripped. Very nice if you want to feel that niche spot in your bag. Very useable for flex shots, skip shots, headwinds and hard turning shots (positive high speed turn that is). This thing is definitely aggressive and doesn't sit like a harp or D-line zone might.

This disc is super duper massively overstable. It's up there in the Justice, Deflector or Croc territory, little more stable then a Zone I think. I would say the glide is more of a 3 maybe not a 2. Other then that the numbers are spot on. The plastic I had with this one was one of my favorites, Trilogy clear blends like VIP or Lucid are awesome.

Nice disc for sure and if you want something for big headwinds for approach shots, FH rollers or OH shots, this will fit the bill. 

Definition of a Meat Hook

The Anvil is OVERSTABLE! But you already know that if you take a look at the numbers. The thing that makes the anvil unique is the flight path. Most people think of the zone or gator when they think overstable midrange. Those discs will go straight for almost the whole flight without turn and then hook up at the end. The Anvil starts to hook almost immediately out of the hand, but stays in the air as it does.

If you need to hit some kind of mando and then hook, this is the disc for you! I have never found a disc that will carry for so long while fading.

I held off getting one of these since I've thrown Justices for quite some time, but this disc is pretty impressive. It holds the straight to fade line well and you can throw it has hard as you want with very little turn. It doesn't love to be thrown on a flex line quite as much as it's DD counterpart but is still a very nice mid for FH and hit a stick shots. 

When thrown flat, the Anvil clearly has no turn and 4 fade as the numbers suggest but the fade can come in late or early depending on the speed, spin, and amount of hyzer applied.  The Justice is very similar but has a large bead and i tend to throw the Justice into the ground but can more easily keep the anvil in the air.  Thrown full speed forehand, the Anvil will turn a bit and then fade out.  You can play that turn to end up with a mostly straight shot.   

I got this as a beefer Harp for forehand approaches. A year of daily use on almsot every hole and getting chunks torn out of it at Buffalo Ridge, and it is about where my tournament burst Harp was after a few weeks. Excellent disc. I may need to go get a beefier one now, but this thing is money within 200 feet.

If you pop it too hard that glide kicks in, even as minimal as it is. But at low power, the glide feels more like a 1 or 1.5 and this disc goes exactly as far as you want it.

I have a 175g first run Anvil in VIP plastic and it has been a staple in my bag from the moment I got it. One very important thing you need to know about this disc: it starts SUPER overstable and dumps hard BUT as it begins to break in it becomes much more versatile. In fact, sometimes I wish it would fade a little harder at the end of the flight but the fade has softened as it has broken in. I'm rating it 5/3/0/4. I say the speed is 4.5-5 because I definitely throw this farther than my Harp which is a 4 speed. Glide brand new was 2 but now I think it's closer to 3. Fade is still 4 but it fades softer now.  I love this disc for backhand or forehand approaches or short drives that curve significantly left or right. I prefer forehand because it feels really comfortable for my forehand grip. It also works well as a forehand roller or for short hyzer skip shots. A friend recently gave me a Fuji and it has a similar profile as that disc but a little flatter. I used to bag a Justice but have found the Anvil to be much more versatile. The Anvil has become my go-to overstable midrange disc- I love throwing the Harp but if I am throwing into headwind or need more fade at the end of a shot I will grab the Anvil instead.

The tournament anvil falls out of the sky every time and it is an awesome skip disc, the tournament I have is very OS and doesn't come out except for 90 degree turns and skip shots. Really fun disc.

The Sparkle VIP is money, this disc has better grip and glide than the tournament, this is the usable version of the anvil. My go to forehand mid, headwind, and downhill disc. Keep your eyes up for Sparkle VIP plastic.

I have a sparkle VIP, and this is the perfect disc for headwinds. It has beef to spare, and cuts through wind with no problem. I have a few dogleg holes nearby that are perfect for the Anvil. Fire and forget.

In short: A Justice with a little more carry and a little less skip. I think that if you really tried, you could just bag this disc in lieu of any other overstable/utility midrange (i.e., zone, gator, caiman, zone, deflector, harp, mortar, etc). The beadless, low profile feel is extremely comfortable in the hand, and I feel like I can get a really good and reliable grip everytime. You can really use this disc’s stability to your advantage by working a number of lines both forehand and backhand. I think where this disc excels in are consistent forehand upshots 250ft and in, all headwind occasions, low skip shots with huge fade (e.g., getting around obstacles), and flex backhand shots. In my opinion, everyone needs a disc like this in their bag.

The Anvil flies like its namesake. This thing wants to fade and get to the ground in a hurry. I loved this disc for short approach shots where I would normally use a Gator. I would say that this disc may have been more stable than my Glow Champion Gator, that's saying something. Not a midrange that will come out on every hole, but when you need it, it will be consistent for you. 

Fantastic disc!!  I was looking for a sidearm (forehand) approach disc that would compliment my Gator, and my search ended with the Anvil and Justice.  I cannot say enough about the Anvil.  I needed a disc that is extremely overstable to handle the sidearm flick, giving me the confidence that it won't turn over.  I have tried out both the Anvil and Justice, and although both have similar flights, I found the Anvil to have a bit more control for me. I bag both discs, but definitely reach for the Anvil first.  It feels great in my hand and releases cleanly from the beadless rim. The flight numbers give it a glide of 2, but for me it seems more like a 3.  I can give the Anvil as much power as needed and it absolutely WILL NOT flip over on a sidearm shot.  It has become my go to disc for approach shots of 100-175' where I need a hard right to left (I'm left handed) finish. Thrown with confidence off of a flat release, it will fly straight for the first 70-80% of it's flight before diving hard left at the end.  I have easily shaved 2-3 strokes off my game using this disc.  It's perfect for those shots where you need to get around a tree or reach a basket that is tucked in a hard to reach spot.  It's invaluable for wooded courses or for approach shots where you need the disc to come in on a sharp hyzer and stay put.

This is the beefiest disc i've thrown for this os mid/approach slot.

The second it leaves my fingers it starts hyzering out and duuuuuumps.

I have the vip with sparkle, and it has a touch of dome.

I will only be bagging this on the windiest of days.

I throw RHBH exclusively. I was looking for a very overstable short mid/upshot that gets me out of trouble. 

The Anvil fits the bill perfectly. Wind has zero effect on the flight of the disc.  

This model is better suited for more experienced players who have greater arm speed, but this disc is money for a consistent overstable mid.

The Anvil is a slim beadless overstable midrange which is turn resistant with an early strong fade - good wind fighter. The Anvil is very overstable but doesn't want to fade out the moment it leaves your hand like the Justice does. The Justice also skips a lot more than the Anvil does when it hits the ground. A better comparison would be the Innova Caiman(I threw this in Star plastic). For me both of these have similar distance potential with similar stability (the Anvil being slightly more overstable). 

Of the overstable mids I've thrown(Justice, Caiman, and Anvil) I like the Anvil best. It's very overstable but not massively so like a Justice and feels the most comfortable in my hand.  Almost like a slower Firebird with a bit less ground action.

The Anvil is basically useless for backhand throws if you ask me. No one needs a disc this overstable for their backhand throw. Maybe you could throw some spike hyzers with it if you want, but most of the time throwing backhand with this disc leaves me shorter and further left than I wanted, and even if I actually do need to get around a left turn this disc virtually always cuts left sooner than I need and hits something on the left before the turn. Unless you actually need a disc that you can throw hard and still get around a corner less than 150' feet off the pin, you would probably be better off with a Bard or Verdict when you go to grab a mid with consistent fade.

As for what this disc is good for... I'm pretty sure this disc was expressly designed to be thrown forehand. It's got a smooth beadless rim, and it's extremely low profile for a mid. Combine the shape with its overstability, and you have a disc that you can throw hard forehand lines with and not worry about turning the disc over or getting your fingers caught under the rim. All you have to do is throw it really hard. If you're a forehand dominant player then you will probably love this disc, especially if you like to torque over your discs on flex lines. If you throw it like that, you can actually get some sneaky distance out of the Anvil. It cuts through the air pretty well with its slim profile, and its glide is a lot better than advertised, at least during the part of the flight where it's flexing. The 2 glide mostly just comes from the fact that its overstability sucks it down into the ground real quick after it starts to fade.

I can't knock it too hard because there is clearly a type of player who would love all these characteristics in a disc, but personally I don't like to throw flex shots unless the shape of the hole actually demands it, and I like my mids to be a little taller than this. Plus I would rather have something shaped more like a putter rather than a mid for my overstable utility approach disc. It's hard to imagine carrying both an Anvil and a Slammer, for instance. All in all the Anvil isn't a bad disc, but it doesn't really fit in my bag. 4/5, good for some players, but not for everyone. New players in particular should stay far away, lest they learn bad habits from this disc.

My new favorite disc in my bag. Feels great in my small, stubby hands, and is super trustworthy with its stability. This disc has taken the place of my harp and viper. Whenever I get to throw this, I know I can trust it. Personally, reliable forehand discs are hard to find for me. Largely due to feel. If the rim is too deep or just doesn't feel right, I can't forehand it reliably. This disc feels perfect; almost firebird-like in my hands, but it behaves like a beefy mid-range/putter and sits down where I need it to. It makes for excellent shape-able flex shots as well. This is legit the ONLY low speed disc I can reliably forehand. I am in love <3 <3. Marry me, plastic throwing circle, you check all my boxes...

Sorry! Got carried away... ( ?° ?? ?°)

The Anvil is the perfect disc for windy upshots, questionable greens, and everything else you might need on the course. The Anvil has a very similar rim shape to the Verdict, however it is much taller and has a more rounded nose. Although the Anvil is taller, the rim doesn’t feel that deep which makes it feel much more like a mid range than a putter, which it should based on the distance this disc gets. This disc feels great in the hand for  a backhand but it feels even better on a forehand as the rim is just shallow enough to allow a clean release but still has enough depth to offer great control. The Anvil is very flat to start, but gain a little dome as the disc gets beat in. The Anvil has no bead, so it has a smooth release and cuts through the air very well. The VIP plastic from Westside looks super clean and feels great in the hand; it has just the right amount of grip and amazing durability. The Tournament Burst looks beautiful and is great if you like a little extra grip. The Burst plastic also gives the Anvil a little straighter flight and extra glide, which this disc does not need.

    The speed rating of 4 seems just a little bit low to me because this disc is definitely a midrange and not a putter. The glide is way too low for this disc! The glide rating of 2 is half of what it should be at least; I would give the Anvil a glide rating of somewhere in the 4-5 range because this disc wants to stay in the air, even as it is hyzering out. The speed coupled with the glide means this disc will sail much further than you might think. The turn rating is pretty accurate as when thrown well, this disc will stay relatively straight before fading out, and fade out it does. The Anvil does have some good finish at the end which makes it hit the ground on the nose and dig into the ground making it stick where it lands. Don’t underestimate it, the Anvil goes far and will take care of those hyzer shots or headwind approaches.

    This disc is definitely not beginner friendly and should only be used by players who know what they are doing and have developed their form a reasonable amount. For a beginner, the Anvil will not go very far and will dump hard to the left (for a RHBH player). A more experienced player will be able to get lots of use out of this disc. An experienced player will be able to get this disc to fly straight for a while then get some good reliable fade at the end for drives and upshots. I am able to get this disc to go about as far as my verdict, usually about 250’, on a flat release. I use this disc mostly for forehand upshots because it is very accurate and sticks where it hits without any skips.

    This disc is best used for longer hyzer shots that need to get around a corner, uphots that need to stay very close to where they land, and headwind shots that still need some good stability. An interesting shot that I use this disc for is forehand rollers, and I use the Anvil for forehand rollers because it has just enough stability to go very straight and has a round enough rim that it is very controllable. The rim of the Anvil is also great for the forehand roller because it is very controllable so it is very easy to get the angle you want. This disc is perfect for any windy shots because it has a great reliable fade in any situation. The Anvil is just a tick more stable than a lucid verdict and flies just a bit farther than the maiden.

Also I got a skip ace with this disc the second round I played with it so it must be good. Pick up an Anvil and maybe you'll get a skip ace too!

Harp, Zone, Jokeri, Breaker... I had always been forehand dominant and always sought the perfect forehand approach disc. Anvil has by far a cleaner releasing rim then any other over-stable approach disc I've used. Anvil is the perfect hybrid of putter and mid, and with the soul of a Justice. Don't let it's obvious over-stability fool you, this disc is incredibly workable for touch accuracy flex shots and short mid/power hyzer throws both back and forehand. This disc is pure gold. I love my Anvils.

The anvil is the perfect upshot disc. I use it backhand and forehand because of its predictable flight and low speed. This disc will glide further than the justice in my bag before finishing with the same over stable fade. It feels great in the hand for forehand shots.

By far the best overstable mid I have ever thrown. I have thrown gators, justices, mortars and this thing is better than all. The profile resembles a justice but it has much more glide and can handle anny lines better than all of the overstable mids I have thrown. I mainly throw it for forehand approaches and shorter holes that have big dog-legs and it always does what I need it to. Whoever buys this will not be disappointed.

I was looking for a midrange that went left and only left ever and man did I find it.  This disc is great, feels good in the hand and really lets you put some beef into your throw knowing that this disc will 100%....;and left.  Thank you Westside!

The Anvil is the sweet love child of a Justice and a Suspect. It has that wonderful fade I have come to trust out of the Justice, with a lot better rim and the distance I was getting out of my Suspect. I really like the flight and predictability of the Anvil. It works for both forehand and backhand shots really well. 

To compare the disc to something else, I would look at the Hyzerbomb Mortar. I got a Big Jerm Recon Mortar and was in love with that, but when the Anvil released I realized that it was evertyhing I wanted out of the Mortar, with a better rim. I love the way the Anvil feels in hand and the flight compliments it just as well. I think this is a fantastic disc that anybody who loves the Justice would be well served to try. 

My Westside Anvil is in the SE burst style plastic that it was released in upon first release, so it feels a little different than the VIP plastic. It's very grippy and feels great in the hand. This disc is a super overstable monster for backhand drives and upshots. Might now be beginner friendly in that sense. 

BUT

For newer players looking for an easy to power forehand disc, this is your disc. I LOVE this disc for forehand upshots. With full power, it's very stable, holding a straight path for a long time before getting the hard right fade. Similar to a Sexton Firebird, but needing far less speed to get the disc to fly properly. I don't use it for backhand much, so this is my go-to for forehand shots.

FULL WESTSIDE BUSINESS.

We have had the most aggressive winds in a long time. Throw in some highly wooded courses, 500 foot shots, and you're gonna poop your pants. I just played at 6200'  elevation, 30 mph gusts, and swirly AF. Enter the Anvil. I figured I would go for something aggressively overstable for inside 250'. I needed to thread big hyzers. I needed skip shots, I needed something that would absolutely refuse to flip. The Anvil did all of that. Yes, it's straighter than the Justice, but it is still absurdly overstable. This disc is designed for skips and wind and wooded upshots. It's just a beast of a disc. I blew it trying to rip this into a left to right wind with a right hand back hand shot. It has legs. It's basically a better designed Justice. I have a first run Justice and I don't get it. It approaches unrealistic flight. It's just comically beefy. The bead on the Justice is gargantuan and the parting line digs into your hand. Even in ridiculous wind. Learn the Anvil, and your game will improve. This is going to be a staple in so many bags. Home run, game changer disc. Well executed, Westside.

This disc is exactly what I have been waiting for: A meaty, beadless mid. I primarily throw MVP/Axiom, and their lineup is missing a very overstable mid-range. I now have a few rounds played with this in the bag, and it has been used more than I was expecting. Our local course does get quite windy so discs with a lot of glide, or not enough stability can be tough to use. The Anvil has been so reliable. It will go straight, it will fade pretty hard at the end, and it will not float away. Great approach disc when you cannot miss long, have a headwind, or need a strong left finish as RHBH. A little domey for what I was expecting from an overstable disc, but it's extremely comfortable in the hand. Such a clean release for me without the bead, and not an overly deep rim. 

The Westside Justice

Even before the Anvil was released, it was being compared to the Justice from Dynamic Discs. As Westside is part of the Trilogy, this made a decent amount of sense. I own a Justice, and it sits around collecting dust because I have no need for such a beefaroni. It was with trepidation, then, that I picked up an Anvil. Being a total sucker for Westside Discs, I am pleasantly surprised with this disc, and it made the bag straight away!

First off, the Anvil is NOT a longer Justice. It will net you more distance, but it is not strictly longer. The reason for this is because it has less overstability all around. It still fades like nobody's business, but it is a notch below the Justice. It also has less overstability in the high speed portion of the flight. I was able to get the Anvil out to 300 feet plus on a high, turned over forehand s-curve. I simply cannot do this with a Justice (though other players might.) Thrown flat, the Anvil will carry straight for a good distance of the flight before it begins its juicy fade. And fade it will! The Anvil is also great for skip shots and headwind drives. While I was able to get some good thumbers out of it (about 250 feet max distance, though) for some reason I just could not get a comfortable grip on a tomahawk. Im sure someone with different shaped hands could still get some good tommys out of it.

For those of you who need a Justice-type disc but not quite as beefy, this is it. It is also beadless, so if the bead on the Justice bothers you, the Anvil will do quite nicely. Beginners should stay away from the Anvil, but for everyone else, this is a great utility disc.

The Justice changed my approach game for the better. BH or FH, the Justice does the trick. Then came the Anvil which feels so much better in my hand.

Speed: 4.5

Glide: 3

Turn: 0

Fade: 4

No bulky bead on the Anvil. Just a smooth rim, and it flies VERY stable. I threw it on BH and FH approaches and the difference between the Justice and Anvil is negligible. The big difference for me when throwing the Anvil was at full power I could control it better than the Justice. hyzer shots and flex shots, it performed GREAT!  I recommend this as your go-to OS midrange.

Other reviewers have hit this on the head.  It is a longer Justice.  It is a great upshot disc where you need it to fade hard at the end.  I was also about 30-50 farther than a Justice when I threw them side by side.  The anvil would hold straight just a few seconds longer than the Justice would.

The feel of the Anvil is the best part of the disc in my opinion.  It has a little more dome than the Justice which feels better for a BH to me.  Also the beadless rim is a big plus.  Every throw I had with the Anvil gave me a smooth release and a good flight.  Previously in my bag I had a Justice and an eMac Truth for OS stuff.  The problem I had was the 150-200 foot range where an eMac was too much disc, but the Justice would fade out too early.  The Anvil fits this slot perfectly. 

Plus who doesn't love the idea of throwing a huge hyzer bomb with an Anvil!  Forget grenades, throw Anvils!

I agree with the longer justice statement.

I now have Justice, Anvil, Bard, Buzzz, Claymore in that order for my mids from most stable to least

The anvil compliments the Bard well

It will be interesting to see how long I keep the justice in the bag

Anvil is awesome tho 100%, if these sell out or become hard to find pick up a glow mortar, pretty similar as well. Im Westside as much as I can be though so I choose this over the mortar.

The Anvil is awesome! I took this out to compare to the justice, and I would say it's just a bit longer than a Justice. If I throw it full power side by side with a Justice, it fades about the same, but a little later in the flight, getting a bit more distance.

The rim feels awesome and it's very easy to release pull power, or on simple touch shots/approaches. 

I definitely prefer a mid like this over a smaller diameter Gator-like over stable approach discs, so this is awesome for me. This will fight the wind and get where you want it to. Just think longer justice, that's what it is for me.

I bought this sheerly for how good it felt in my hand and I've been excited hearing it was a longer range Justice. 

The Anvil is JUST WHAT I HAD HOPED FOR! It's still extremely overstable yet it tilts into it's fade a tick slower than the Justice does (it still fades practically straight from the hand but it pans over slower). I'd say I can get the Anvil out 30-50 ft further than the Justice on a flat pull, making this a disc I throw off the tee on technical short holes whereas my Justice was only ever a utility disc. 

Kinda reminds me of a gator, flight wise. But flatter and s very unique rim that feels crisp in the hands. Great forhand mid, just what I needed. I have a lucid and special x blend