ok so first off if you can't already throw 450ft don't buy this disc cuz your not going to be happy with how it Flys and end up giving a bad review just becasue your trying to throw a disc you have no means even trying to throw. however I can't think of a more versatile driver out there. this thing is super fast easily pushed past the 500ft mark(if you have the arm speed) it's the only disc I have ever thrown I can make 500ft without throwing it on a massive flex anny just dead straight. however there are no real flight numbers as far as fade and turn go. making this disc usable at many speeds. throw it softly(300ft) and you have a massive meat hook throw it with 400ft power and you have about a -1 turn with dependable fade, throw max power and it Flys more like a -2 turn. on the negative side. due to the wing design it had almost an opposite effect from wind than any other disc so it take a while to get used to that. ie. pitches in to a right to left and gets more stable with right to left. headwind has no effect on turn or fade but does slow the disc down alot. tailwind it makes it a decent bit understable. the biggest con is the rim does slip out a bit but it is a max speed driver and when thrown with a true power grip there are absolutely no early releases even when wet. so it's definitely a purpose built disc with some very diverse uses for a an advanced to pro player.