Overall this disc works very well for me: I can usually get straight or s-curve flights out of it for great distance. For my arm speed, I don't think it's quite as understable as a -3 turn, except maybe into the wind. Stronger arms, though, will probably find it too understable, while the speed 12 will probably be too much for beginners. I have found that its sibling the Basilisk has worked really well for beginners or players like my wife who don't have a lot of power to their throws. The Max Grip plastic on this and a couple other X-outs seems harder and more brittle than the actual Max Grip discs I've gotten more recently, which is too bad. I like the true Max Grip as it feels better and seems to have a bit more give. Watching my X-out versions hit the ground has given me concern about their durability. But other than worries about the longevity of the plastic, the disc model itself seems to be good. I actually had some other players (strangers) ask me what it was I was throwing when they saw the flight and distance I got with it.