I am very torn on this particular disc. When I first bought it I didn't have the arm speed to throw it correctly and struggled keeping it in my bag. As I got better my arm caught up and I could throw it harder but I spent so much time throwing it wrong that the additional arm power would cause it to flip over and turn into a cut roller 150 short of my intended target. I had to spend hours on a practice field just to get this disc figured out to get it to fly the way it is intended and now I love it and is one of my personal choices for my long straight bombs. I would only recommend this to a beginner if they come from a background that could support the necessary arm power. Otherwise this is an intermediate level disc at best. It is a phenomenal disc that works really well for those nice long straight S-curves or it works really well for throwing on an anhyzer and getting around obstacles quick. I personally don't favor it for anhyzer shots and prefer it for straight touch shots that my midrange or fairway can't quite reach. I like this disc but again do not recommend until your arm can handle the speed otherwise it will ruin your technique.