While I said not for beginners I only mean not for the weak spirited & or timid. You really have to take hold of this beefy brute, but when you do it really puts in its dues as a utility disc. It certainly isn't a driver as one would expect, but rather a high-speed mid-range that battles high wind approaches or wicked short dog legs better than a Tilt or Frag. Something you know will never stray right unless you get weird with it, then maybe. For example, it can do some amazing barrel rolls if launched flat to slight anny with extreme power. It will push out there like 300± feet after doing like a flip & a half through the air. Find someone w/ extreme arm speed & control & have them huck it out there & watch it twist through the air like Fox Mcloud during traing mode. "Do a Barrel Roll!"

Ever wanted to throw a thumber roller that stays vertical the whole flight? How about a reverse turning tomahawk or a hyzer that turns into an anny but not by flipping over? In politics they say you go far enough one direction you end up on the other side of the spectrum and that's what Doomsday has shown us here. An entire new bag of shots in one disc!! The Tilt was a huge disappointment to everyone but the end of days is now saved with a meathook that can rack a whole army of spaghetti arm, mainstream, collared shirt, bag, flair, ace club softies.

This is such an overstable disc, it makes the Tilt feel like a fairway driver.  The ability for this disc to find the ground is next to none.  It is an absolute utility disc and I find when my round is going not well, I'm throwing it a lot.  It is great for any upshot under 100 feet.  It just doesn't finish with a sweeping fade, it just goes straight to the ground.  I have also liked the amount of ground play with this disc.  It seems to hit and slide, roll, or flip a good amount which works so well for those low ceiling shots.  Overall, just get the disc, if anything else, to make others throw and laugh at each other.